Editor's Note: Bruce Ciskie, a lifelong Packers fan, opines about the state of his beloved team.High expectations greeted the Green Bay Packers in August, as the team arrived at training camp. Practices -- held across the street from Lambeau Field -- were very physical, as the Packers tried to show they wouldn't be bullied around like they were far too often in 2008.
That 6-10 season, we all were told, was a memory. It was a fluke. It wasn't how things would be conducted in Green Bay. Bad tackling, soft defense, poor special teams play, and stupid penalties were going to be a thing of the past.
Or not.
As much as fans would like to warm up to fourth-year head coach Mike McCarthy, it's becoming difficult. The team he is leading couldn't possibly be more insanely inconsistent. They've shown time and time again that they have character, that they won't quit, and they play to the whistle.
Unfortunately for them, those traits aren't enough to win games.
General manager Ted Thompson has given McCarthy talented players to work with. Receiver Donald Driver is one of the top veterans in the game, and youngsters Greg Jennings, James Jones, and Jordy Nelson are all high draft picks. Quarterback Aaron Rodgers has done what so many before him have failed at, in that he has stepped in to a position once held by a future Hall of Famer, and he's played exceptionally well.
On defense, Al Harris and Charles Woodson are still top one-on-one cornerbacks who are useful in run support. Linebackers A.J. Hawk and Nick Barnett are former first-round picks, and lineman Aaron Kampman has been to multiple Pro Bowls.
The talent is there. What's gone wrong?
For starters, the Packers can't run the ball. McCarthy leans on Ryan Grant at times, but tends to give up on the run way too quickly, sometimes at the first sign of trouble. It allows defenses to tee off on Rodgers, which only makes his job all the more difficult.
McCarthy has preached the importance of running the ball better, but his words ring hollow, because for every game like the easy win over Cleveland in Week 7, where the Packers ran it 41 times for over 200 yards, there are multiple games like Sunday, where Grant spends more time on the sideline or on pass routes than he does carrying the rock.
The Packers used screen passes with great efficiency in the earlier game against Minnesota. Against the same team Sunday, the Packers didn't run any, outside of an attempted screen pass on a two-point play that was batted down.
In the end, however, the biggest issue with McCarthy -- and one that could cost him his job come January if he's not careful -- is discipline.The Packers have become a penalty-plagued team during his time. In 2005, the final year under Mike Sherman, Green Bay was in the middle of the pack in penalties assessed. McCarthy's first year actually saw them improve, as they were near the upper third of the league in fewest penalties. However, the 2007 team -- one that finished 13-3 -- was fourth in the NFL in penalties, finishing second in penalty yards. The Packers were second in penalties and first in yards marked off in 2008. 2009 isn't looking too much better. So far, they're second in total penalties and third in yards.
Virtually every Monday when he addresses the media, McCarthy talks about how they're going to fix the penalty problem, and the special teams problem. Then, almost on cue, the same issues plague this team every Sunday.
Yes, it can be pinned on the players. Surely, McCarthy isn't telling them to commit dumb penalties, and he and his special teams coaches aren't telling guys to forget about their lanes and blow even the simplest kick coverages. The players aren't doing what they're told.
However, there comes a point where the problem comes back to the coach. When the head man talks a good game about improvement in certain areas, and nothing improves, it has to fall back at his feet. Why can't this team avoid taking dumb penalties, like the one on defensive lineman Johnny Jolly that prolonged a Vikings drive Sunday and turned a likely field goal into a touchdown?
How is it that even players good enough to start on defense can't practice the simple concept of lane discipline when covering a kickoff? Virtually any decent kick returner just has to make one cut against the grain against the Packers, and he's got 35 yards easily.
While the Vikings are clearly better than Green Bay, the most stunning difference between the two teams is the quality of their coaching. The Vikings make mistakes (everyone does), but they rarely make the same error twice in a game. They don't beat themselves with bad penalties, and they are able to make big plays in every phase of the game.
When the 2007 season ended, there wasn't a Packer fan alive who would have traded McCarthy for Brad Childress, and there wasn't a Viking fan around who would turn that same trade down. Childress was about as popular in Minnesota as Favre was. Oh, how things change over time.
Now Childress has to be close to getting his coveted contract extension with the Vikings, and Packer fans are asking serious (and valid) questions about the coach they have in McCarthy.
Blame Thompson for the Brett Favre fiasco all you want, but it wasn't all his fault. Not only that, but no team worth anything is going to fire a general manager who hasn't had a chance to make at least one coaching change. Even Matt Millen got to make coaching changes before being shown the door. Thompson might be the problem, but there should be more fingers pointing at McCarthy at this point. There is still a lot of football to be played.
McCarthy has talked before about constant improvement. While you can't argue that his 4-3 team is much better than they were at the start of the year, there are still nine games left. If this team improves and becomes a true playoff contender, much of this will be forgiven and/or forgotten.








Comments (Page 1 of 3)
He's a joke. Just think we could have had Bates as coach. But Teddo had to have his guy in there. I never liked him as a coach or TT. But the moron blind Pack fans will blindly follow this team and spend $$ on a garbage team. Think about it packer fan, this team is 30 mil under the cap and it wont spen anything to make the team better. The team wants you to be loyal but it wont spend a dime to bring you a good contending team.
The team in good enough except for the offensive line, stupid penalties and predictable play calling. If Rogers is getting pressure then why not call screens and draws, quick passes, etc. Didn't see this at all....Rogers does hold the ball to long (given his line)so quick passes has to be the plan.
Ah, Ciskie, you still can't let both Thompson and McCarthy face up to their role in the Favre issue, can you? The Favre deal "wasn't all his fault?" When the greatest QB to ever play the game, on the heels of leading a team no one took seriously that year to within one play of the Super Bowl, wants to come back, a coach who isn't brain dead would say to the GM, "Well, we should at least consider it." Says it firmly enough to say "if we don't think about it, I walk." But McCarthy, no less than Thompson, loved his little coddled Aaron Rogers, not because Rogers was undeniably better, and not even directly because "he's the future," but because Rogers is a robotic yes-man. Some players have attitude, yeah, but it's GOOD when they channel that attitude on YOUR behalf. Thompson and McCarthy, neither of them understand it--and both have to go.
So true. If they'd have kept Brett they wouldn't be wondering what is going wrong!
I agree
Here here TY - biggest screwup of all time was forcing favre out. He continues to be on the winning team and YES, our offensive line does stink but he made things happen instead of constantly rolling right (where they know Aaron rodgers WILL go), he finds a way to make something out of nothing
Are you high? Brett Favre, the greatest qb ever? hahahahahahaha
Ciskie, I think you're giving the Vikings coaching staff a little too much credit. The one overall aspect that you failed to mention was that the Vikings are just a lot more talented than this year's Packers. The Vikings have the league's top running back, the Packers have backup Grant, the Vikings have a good offensive line, the Pack are a work in progress, the Vikings had a defensive line with 3 pro-bowlers the Packers don't have much etc. Don't know if it's the quality of Childress being a better coach as the main overriding factor.
Chaeson doesn't that all come down to Ted Thompson? He is the team manager, the last man on the yes/no squad. It's SO unfortunate that he has to make his name in such a BAD way via it's my guy or noone... sadly it'll be noone cause he has made bad picks/decisions all along. Rodgers is OK but he is NO Favre.
I say fire both McCarthy and Thompson and bring in Holmgren as GM and hopefully he'll bring in someone like Gruden or Cowher to instill some discipline in this team. McCarthy is a big teddy bear that nobody takes serious and it shows every Sunday!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's not forget that back when Ted Thompson hired McCarthy, Brett Farve wanted him to hire Steve Mariucci as head coach. You have to wonder where all the chips would be if that would have happened. Bruce saying that Ted Thompson wasn't at fault is a bunch of BS.
I agree with you all the way.....Lets clean house while we still have a broom.
I was suprised at the green bums for booing a man who played his heart out for them for 16 years,man have things changed.When i was 10 years old my aunt took me to Yankee stadium to see the Red Sox play the Yankees,when Ted Williams came up to bat the first time the crowd gave him a hand.I asked why,my aunt said because he is a great player.Ah, the good old days.
Favre should have received a standing ovation when he returned to Lambeau. I cannot believe that Bart Starr would have supported this kind of treatment. Brett may not be the greatest Packer ever, but in the "modern era" he along with Reggie White were great leaders and both gave everything to this team. I am disgusted with the current Packer Fans and do not count myself among them anymore, after more than 30 years of being one and half of those 30 years were not bright. When Brett was in the lineup, we didn't always win, but we expected to win and that goes a long way. I don't even know what this current Packers organization stands for anymore. Now I am just a Brett Favre fan, because my loyalty is a little deeper to people than to colors.
I think a lack of leadership is evident in Green Bay since Favre left. You don't replace a legend that was the identity of this team for years, with a young, green QB. Rodgers has done everything in his power to be the next great QB in Green Bay, and the fans want him to be. Fact is he may not be a great QB, few are. I am a 45 year plus Packer fan, and I will root for Rodgers, as soon as Brett retires for good.
People forget Favre did not leave - He was pushed out the door by Ted Thompson. TT had no respect for him, listened to NONE of his requests and basically did everything he could to make him unhappy. All because TT wanted HIS guy in the game. Sadly, we can see the result. Ted Thompsen has to go FIRST. Then maybe i can look at this team again. If they keep him this team will be 6/10. TY Ted Tompsen for putting us on the losing track all because of YOUR pride. You will go down in history as the worst GM EVER cause you pushed a awesome QB out the door.
GBay has no defense. Pure, and simple. The Vikes with, or without #4 are a better team from top to bottom than GBay is right now.
I never like Mikey and given him the reins to the Packers is a mistake. He wasn't a top notch coach in New Orleand or San Fran. Why would you let him take over any team. As for Teddy; eat your cap money and keep putting a poor product on the field; then we can run you sloppy ass out of GB. Packer fans wiseup; Favre was the GUY and always will be! Too bad Teddy, Mikey and Markeys pride got the best of them. FANS LOSS!!!
At the moment it seems like one step forward and two back. You can't blame the coaching staff for highly paid players making amateurish errors which draw penalty flags. Officials miss as many penalties as they spot, anyway. As I see it, the problems (special team kick coverage excepted) begin and end with the offensive line; that's why they can't run the ball with any consistency and why Rogers has been sacked and pressurised on so many occasions. It's a miracle the offense has been as productive as it has been and that he's thrown so few interceptions. Improve comunication on the O-line, take special teams more seriously and there's no reason the Packers can't qualify for a Wild Card spot.
"General manager Ted Thompson has given McCarthy talented players to work with. Receiver Donald Driver is one of the top veterans in the game."
Driver was brought in by Ron Wolf, not Ted Thompson. Nice try, TT Lover.