
FanHouse's resident referee will chime in weekly with thoughts on major topics relating to officiating. We call it The Zebra Report. Matt Snyder is a high school official with eight years experience. While this is like a third-year resident critiquing the work of a world-renowned surgeon, it's still better than someone who has never worn the stripes.
Lots of controversy this week surrounding the boys in stripes, whether warranted or not, so let's jump right in ...
Incident 1: Mike Martz says the Niners were "screwed every way possible" by the officials. Ah, I love a good example of lacking accountability. I'm sure it was the officials who told Martz to run the football on the previous play with around 10 seconds left and no timeouts. I mean, that's the only way "every way possible" works as an accurate statement.
What do you want from the officials here? They can't give one team an advantage. The Niners were out of timeouts. It was advantageous enough for the Niners to be bailed out by the replay review -- otherwise they would have been hit with a five yard penalty for illegal formation on their spike, and the clock still would have wound on the ready-for-play whistle after the five-yard march-off.
The officials spotted the ball at the 1 yard-line during the replay because that's where they thought the ball was to be spotted after the previous play. When reviewing a play, they can review everything. They determined where to properly spot the football during said review, so they moved it. They can't mill around and make sure Martz has the play called that he wants because that would like giving the Niners a timeout. Hell, they already basically had a timeout during the replay. Also, there's a reason the officials didn't directly tell Martz about the re-spot ... he's an assistant coach. Officials talk to the head coach, not a guy who thinks he's much more important than he really is. Head coach is the boss. Everyone else back off.
This is just -- as I said -- another case of a guy who made an awful play-call on the previous play trying to save face and place the blame elsewhere. Well, where else to put it but on the maligned officials? That's elementary league crap, Martz. Be a man and be accountable.
*** UPDATE *** Pereira discussed this situation with Peter King on Sirius Radio ...
Incident 2: DPI call gets the Chiefs into scoring range late. Look, we all saw it. The slow-motion replays showed conclusively, in my mind, that Clinton Hart played great defense and did not contact Tony Gonzalez before the ball arrived. (By the way, we went through PI rules here) At this point, I'd guess the official who made the call agrees with that assessment.
Here's the thing, though. He didn't see it in slow-motion. In fast motion, my gut instinct was that the DB arrived early ... CBS color commentator Steve Tasker was the same way. He immediately said it was the correct call and the defender arrived early. Then they slow it down for the replay, and you could see all three of us -- Tasker, official, myself -- were wrong. This goes back to the question we've discussed before ... if the players are so fast and strong that fast motion plays can be so deceiving, should you be allowed to review penalties? A review in this play would have obviously caused a waved-off flag.
Incident 3: Aaron Rodgers called for "illegal forward pass" in the end-zone, resulting in a Minnesota safety. First of all, if you think this was an easy call either way -- bad call or good call -- then you obviously have bias. This was probably the toughest decision I've seen all year. PFT had good coverage on the play and its aftermath. I'll make some points of my own: - Everyone agrees the "unnatural throwing motion" stuff is junk, and even the league has admitted the call should not have been illegal forward pass.
- The criteria for intentional grounding are met in the fact that the ball did not get back to the line of scrimmage and the quarterback was under duress. He was clearly not attempting to complete a pass, and was, instead, desperately heaving the ball out of the end-zone to avoid a safety.
- On the other hand, he was outside the pocket. Shouldn't this void the grounding call?
- Also, there was a receiver in the area. Shouldn't this void the grounding call?
I've talked to some sources with much more knowledge than myself (NCAA, NFL experience) and all of them believe intentional grounding should have been called. I'm guessing the intent to save from a safety instead of completing a pass, the fact that Rodgers clearly had no idea there was a receiver in the area, the fact that the ball didn't make it back to the line of scrimmage, and the fact that the receiver obviously had zero chance to even make an attempt to catch the football all played into this opinion.
This was a very controversial and difficult play, and I wouldn't be surprised if some rules stipulations were added onto the intentional grounding rule in the offseason ... because two things are clear: 1. It definitely should have been grounding, but; 2. under the rules, it sounds like his being outside the pocket should negate the grounding call.
Incident(s) 4: Conspiracy accusations regarding the Giants on Sunday Night Football. First of all, I'm not mentioning him by name because he's so deplorable, but I heard from others -- I don't watch; again, deplorable -- there was a certain talking head on ESPN flipping out and crying "conspiracy" for the Giants to win that game based upon two calls. How laughable, and frankly, embarrassing. Either way, we'll take a look.
- The first play in question is very, very close. Eli Manning was called past the line of scrimmage for -- notice a theme this week? -- illegal forward pass. By rule, the passer's entire body must be past the LOS for the penalty to be called. We were shown what I believed to be very conclusive replays that Eli's back foot was still on the line, therefore, the officials correctly overturned the call on the field. The fallout has been more directed at the fact that NBC was showing a red line across the field on the line of scrimmage to prove the ruling correct or incorrect.
A few problems with this ... the line is not official, and I doubt the official under the hood was looking at the same thing we were. Just look where the play started and where Eli's back foot was when the threw the ball. The play was correctly ruled, and all the other ancillary factors people want to discuss have nothing to do with the play or the judgment of the officials. - Brandon Jacobs touchdown, where he appeared to fumble immediately after the ball broke the plane of the goal-line. I actually didn't even think this was questionable, so I was shocked to learn people were complaining about it. There was no camera directly over the top of the goal-line, which is the only way we could have seen for sure if the call was correct. It appeared from every angle we had that Jacobs was a half-yard or a whole yard into the end-zone before the ball came loose. At least that's how I saw it. .
Incident 5: Adrian Peterson removes helmet, no flag for unsportsmanlike conduct. Mike Pereira, head of NFL Officiating has stated that he's annoyed with the officials for not throwing a flag here, so there's nothing more for me to say. Obviously, that's a missed call.
Non-Incident, which I wanted to discuss anyway. In the Bears/Titans game, on a 4th and just more than five, the Titans punter was run into by the Bears. The call was running into the kicker, which is only five yards and not an automatic first down. Running into the kicker is an act that displaces the kicker without roughing him. So you run into him and he falls down. Roughing is when you tackle, charge into, or completely take out the legs of the kicker. In this case, the Bears player did take out the legs of the punter, but he has already trying to stop and barely clipped the lower legs. It was the proper call by Ed Hochuli.
Often times, running into vs. roughing can be a difficult judgment, though ... so I just wanted to attempt to clarify.
That's all I've got ... I'll be back next week. As always, if you want a rule or play reviewed (even if it's a local 8th grade game), you may submit one to our mailbox.





















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11-12-2008 @ 5:13PM
Martin said...
Sorry, but you lost me as to the "illegal pass" of Aaron Rodgers. You note that he was outside the tackles. The rule allowing grounding of the football in that situation has NO exceptions. Now it may be that the rules committee may want to amend the rule to exclude situations where the quarterback is in his own end zone, but no such amendment now exists. Hence, the rules that are currently in effect require no penalty.
You also say that Rodgers had no idea that there was a receiver in the area. How did you arrive at that conclusion? Are you a mind reader? When the flag was thrown, he immediately argued with the official and pointed to the receiver. Perhaps his peripheral vision is a little better than yours or he knew that a receiver was supposed to be in that area. In any event, the last thing football needs is more rules which allow refs to use their discretion, as that just results in tremendous inconsistency, as evidenced by the many inane unnecessary roughness calls.
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11-13-2008 @ 11:37AM
Peter said...
I get what you're saying about the tackles, Martin, but the fact that the ball didn't get to the line of scrimmage is what keeps me on the side of an intentional grounding call.
There's a lot of discretion in the NFL, which is largely unfortunate, but I think the right call was made here. Rodgers threw that thing as far as he possible could given the situation he was in, and it still didn't make it to the 10 yard line. I think that, along with the fact that he was in the end zone and under extreme duress (fumbled, being chased) lends itself to the conclusion that he was trying to save his team 2 points.
11-13-2008 @ 11:29AM
h18sticks said...
I don't have any problems with the calls on Manning or Jacobs. I do have a problem with the bogus call on the play after the Manning call on Bradley for a facemask. He clearly had the helmut (which is legal) and then the jersey. The official wasn't in position to even see if he actually had a facemask so he just assumed. That call let the drive continue which led to a TD. It was a game changer and the fact that Madden and Michaels gave credence to the call doesn't surprise me since they were obviously kissing the Giants butts. I thought I was listening to Buck and Aikman. The Eagles didn't deserve to win anyway after those 2 running plays with 1 yd to go. I thought I was watching NE since it was obvious the Giants knew what was coming. They must have that magical video tape on the Eagles.
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11-13-2008 @ 11:53AM
Matt Snyder said...
1. When the ball falls short of the line of scrimmage, the "outside the pocket" rules don't apply. My source emailed me to point this out, as I had incorrectly deciphered the information in front of me (again, no NFL rulebook available for me to purchase ... sigh).
2. When you, h18sticks, say the Eagles grabbed the helmet of the ballcarrier ... did they have an opening? Meaning the opening above the eyes, the earhole, or the back of the helmet? Any of those warrant a 15 yard facemask as well. Facemask is simply the name of the penalty, as the penalty is inclusive for grabbing ahold of any helmet opening. I don't remember the play specifically, which leads me to believe it wasn't even a controversial call ... because I write those down.
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11-13-2008 @ 8:05PM
questionmark said...
Not a Packers fan, but that illegal forward pass/grounding call is horse sh*t.
- He was out of the pocket
- the pass was close to the line of scrimmage
- there was a receiver in the vicinity
You can't start calling grounding on the rationale that he was trying to avoid a safety - many QBs fling unscripted shuffle passes to RBs in the face of pressure. Some work, some don't, but most of the time they are trying to avoid a sack.
Maybe you don't like the throwing motion - well who cares? What if he completes the pass, is it still grounding? This is a bunch of BS from the league and league apologists who think a penalty should be called because the play lacked the desired aesthetics. Quit trying to legislate, and penalize intent - just follow the rules as defined in the rule book guys.
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11-14-2008 @ 12:51PM
Oso said...
What about the Texans game, Slatons run for TD called back for a phantom call on Owens?
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