
What is it about the SEC that compels folks to regularly combine a fetid brew of boastfulness with ignorance? The latest example Via The Wizard of Odds provides all kinds of quotable outward contempt from LSU coach Les Miles towards count 'em 1)USC, 2)the Pac-10 and 3)the Big 12/everyone else. The following comments were made during an interview with New Orleans radio station WWL as reported by Carl DuBois of The Advocate.
Let's go through this piece-by-piece, shall we? Analysis after the jump.
Les Miles, whose team is a popular pick to play in this season's BCS title game opposite USC, is calling into question the strength of the Pacific 10 Conference, suggesting the Trojans should be a cinch to make it to the Jan. 7 game in New Orleans because of a suspect league schedule.You could have said the same thing last year about USC and yet they lost TWICE in the supposedly weak Pac-10. That same two-time Pac-10 loser also won on the road against the eventual SEC runner-up Arkansas Razorbacks. The score of that game was 50-14, by-the-way.
"I can tell you this, that they have a much easier road to travel," Miles said. "They're going to play real knockdown drag-outs with UCLA and Washington, Cal-Berkeley, Stanford - some real juggernauts - and they're going to end up, it would be my guess, in some position so if they win a game or two, that they'll end up in the title [game].
"I would like that path for us. I think the SEC provides much stiffer competition."
How about 2005, when USC crushed Arkansas 70-17? They had far more competition that year against Fresno State and Arizona State than Arkansas.
Or look at 2004, when USC won by 11 on the road against Virginia Tech in the opener and stomped Oklahoma in the championship game 55-19. Their toughest games that season were in fact against Pac-10 foes like Stanford, Oregon State and UCLA.
Finally, how about 2003 when USC lost in triple overtime before a frothing Cal crowd and nearly lost the next week on the road against Arizona State before getting its act together and later demolishing a fine Michigan squad in the Rose Bowl. One of the Trojans' easiest games that year was on the road against the SEC's Auburn Tigers, a 23-0 victory. That's more than can be said for Miles whose road record against the Tigers is 0-1 after last year's dreadful 7-3 defeat. For many years now the pattern for USC under Pete Carroll has been to crush out-of-conference foes but struggle in about half of their Pac-10 games. The same thing is likely to happen this year as USC's efforts at going undefeated will be challenged a handful of times within conference play.
It is in fact the Pac-10 which provides the most consistent competition for its members and for USC. In the past 16 years, four teams have gone undefeated in SEC play. In that same time period, only two Pac-10 teams have survived conference play unbeaten. Think about that for a moment: over the past 16 years, the likelihood of a team going undefeated through SEC play is greater than the likelihood of a team going undefeated in Pac-10 play. That pours just a little bit of water on the SEC hype, doesn't it?
Pac-10 teams might not always be as talented, but thanks to the available talent, quality coaching and ability to scheme on both sides of the ball, the Pac-10 is incredibly difficult to survive without recording a few losses. The league might not be as deep as the SEC, but it may just be even more competitive.
Put simply, Miles' argument is both bogus and ignorant.
Miles does acknowledge that he'd like to play USC in this year's title game. But then, the game would be a virtual home game for his Tigers, playing in the Sugar Bowl. Tough talk, eh, coach? Somehow I doubt he'd be as comfortable asking for a piece of USC if the hypothetical title game matchup were in Pasadena.
Anyway, the tough talk didn't end with USC or the Pac-10. The remainder of the rant was more or less "ur conference is teh suck, we r hawt, tackle football, boom. w00t."
"The Big 12 is a conference that might have two really pretty good teams, maybe four. I think the Pac-10 may have one or two really good ones. The ACC certainly, arguably, has some quality teams.Ohhh kayyy coach. When do we get to kiss the ring?
"I don't think there's any conference out there that has as many quality teams as ours."
My FanHouse colleague Brian Cook Is certain to be scratching his head at all of this. SEC fans are quick to forget that the Big Ten handed two favored SEC teams losses in bowl games last year. Traditional SEC power Alabama also lost, falling to Miles' former bosses at Oklahoma State. Bowl games tend to be a bit flukey, but the bigger picture here is that the SEC's dominance isn't as clear-cut as told by its backers.
Look, I like the SEC, the league has really grown on me. However, this kind of talk is insane. It's unsolicited, it demeans other conferences (whose members sometimes you know, BEAT SEC teams, not that anyone wants to talk about that) and isn't all that intelligent to begin with. It is talk that needs to be challenged.
After reading this, the fact that Les Miles has a vote in the coaches poll ... is frightening. The article suggests that he takes that task seriously, but his views and demeanor arguably show an inability to provide a fair vote on non-SEC teams. Is this a good thing?


















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
7-02-2007 @ 8:06PM
somebody said...
I'm from louisiana and I can tell you les miles is a stiff and I'm sick about hearing how good the sec is. Go trojans.
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7-02-2007 @ 8:13PM
TJ said...
I,m a USC fan that lives in Alabama (4 yrs ), boy these SEC fans are homers. They hate USC and any team outside SEC that has a history of winning. If all else fails, they fall back on yesteryear (Bear Bryant). It makes them look foolish. SEC is good, but they beat up each other on defense and have no offense to speak of, but they rant and rave. USC has both offense and defense. If their team loses(SEC) then it's the officials fault most of the time.
Alabama fans actually think they got a chance to win the BCS. Nick Saban will win it the first year. In fact, it's going to take 3 years for him to be mentioned in the same breath as USC. Of course, Florida was their savior last year against an inept Ohio State. (shame on the coach of OU)
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7-02-2007 @ 9:35PM
rawkstar said...
I'm getting weary from coaches in the SEC bashing USC every time they do an interview. What do they want SC to do? Change their whole schedule and tradition? They usually wind up in the top ten of toughest schedules year after year. The Pac 10 is one of the most competitive in all sports, not just football. UCLA has won over 100 NCAA championships, with USC somewhere in the 90's if I'm not mistaken.
So for USC to change conferences(if that's what they have in mind)would be ridiculous. The balance of football power, in reguard to conferences, changes every few years. So like a lot of people, I also would give the SEC the nod that they have the toughest conference today. Just quit beating us over the head with it. It won't last forever.
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7-02-2007 @ 9:42PM
The U will be BACK! said...
There is a reason why SEC-ers hate the PAC-10, USC in particular. Don't try to skate around the issue and act like you guys have amnesia!
USC is somehow crowned and labeled the National Champ in 2004 depite the fact that LSU beat Oklahoma in the BCS game. The BCS was supposed to eliminate the bias of the press. If USC had gone completely undefeated they would have had an argument for sharing a title but they didn't. You lose - you can't complain. That's what everyone said about Miami when the Canes were skipped by FSU in 2000.
Speaking of undefeated, the next year Auburn DOES go undefeated, and what happens? USC is "given" a title with no reporters in sight who were willing to "vote in Auburn" for a share of the title, although they did actually go undefeated, and played in a Conference Title Game.
That is what you call a HOSING! And despite what USC and PAC-10 fans say about it, if USC could get a share of the title although they were not undefeated, Auburn damn well deserved a share after going undefeated wath more games and a higher Strength of Schedule that year.
And your program is beginning to reak of corrupt financial NCAA violations...
This from a Confederate-Conference HATER...
But fair is fair.
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7-02-2007 @ 9:46PM
rawkstar said...
One more thing.
After looking at most of the SEC teams schedules...
The typical team in the SEC has a 12 game season. Fair enough. But most of them have 8 home games! How does that happen? Quite a few of them don't even leave their home stadium until week 5. At least USC plays a balanced 6 home and 6 away games. Something tou can't say in the SEC.
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7-02-2007 @ 10:18PM
Rich Warner said...
SEC year in and year out rules football. Sure, USC wins games outside conference including against SEC teams. Bottom line the rest of their schedule week in and week out is week (WEAK). Having to get up (get ready, for those of you in Rio Linda) for 6-8 tough games a year takes the toll. USC has been lucky to dodge the SEC champ because of that tough SEC road. Look what favored OSU suffered when an SEC school got the pass to the title game. Auburn, LSU, maybe even Arkansas would have done the same. Hell throw in UT if healthy. Don't fool yourself. SEC football rules and west coast football is soft.
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7-02-2007 @ 11:03PM
Brian said...
The BCS is nothing more than a lucrative financial contract between the major conferences, several bowl games and several polls.
It is not endorsed by the NCAA, and as seen by the USC/LSU title split in 2003, is not universally accepted as the SOLE title-bearing group.
There are still split championships, same as always.
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7-02-2007 @ 11:48PM
rawkstar said...
In 2003, a split was the only reasonable way to settle it. And why blame USC? It was the AP that voted them in. Don't forget, they were the #1 team on both the coaches poll and the AP before the Geek Squad polls changed the BCS numbers. USC would have loved to play LSU that year. In 2004, Auburn was the 3rd best team. How can you say any different after watching SC and Texas in the title game? Deep down Auburn is happy they did'nt have to play USC or Texas in 04'. JMHO, wich I think very highly of.
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7-02-2007 @ 11:57PM
brad said...
everyone needs to go to Every Day Should Be Saturday and check out Orson's take on this bit o' news. It is...refreshing
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7-03-2007 @ 7:49AM
Gamecock Man said...
for what it's worth, I'm an SEC fan who really likes the Pac-10. It's not as tough top to bottom as the SEC, but contrary to what some of my friends think, the Pac-10 is more than just Southern Cal. I think most of the fans of the SEC power schools resent Southern Cal and want to imagine that their team could be a dynasty too, if only they didn't play in the SEC. I personally don't think that's the case, although the LSU and Auburn fans will probably tell me to go to hell because I'm "just a South Carolina fan."
This isn't to say that I don't think the SEC is the best--I think Auburn got shafted in 04 and it pisses me off whenever I watch Corso and Herbie spout their anti-Southern bias on College Gameday. But I think it's pretty fantastical to imagine that LSU would go undefeated every single year if they played in the Pac-10.
The Big 10, on the other hand...
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7-04-2007 @ 5:50PM
TrojanJoe said...
If, a mighty big "if", the trojans lose a game, it will certainly be against a conference foe. I fully expect 50 -70 point out of SC for all of it's non conference games. And they will kick the crap of whomever they play in the title game... i just hope it's LSU.
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7-03-2007 @ 6:10AM
usc4life!!! said...
agreed! I want to see the sec take on this.
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7-03-2007 @ 2:16PM
SEC/BIGXII said...
Im both an SEC and Big XII fan, and from what I can tell, the problem does not lie with the PAC 10 teams, but the PAC 10 officials. Last years Oklahoma/Oregon game is a perfect example, as well as two years ago when USC played Fresno State. Oh, lets not forget about the infamous "Bush Push" against Notre Dame either.
In fact, for those of you who trully know football and the rules of the game, watch a PAC 10 game this year, particularly an out of conference one. Watch the obviously missed calls that favor the PAC 10 team, and watch as the announcers completely ignore the missed calls. Its quite funny really.
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7-03-2007 @ 11:19AM
The Hazean said...
I would have more respect for the Pac-10 if they added two teams and played a conference championship game.
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7-03-2007 @ 11:19AM
Brian said...
That's just a dumb statement. The Pac-10 actually crowns a legitimate conference champion because all its member teams play each other, round-robin.
SEC play, as good as it is, is diluted because of the divisional setup. 12-team conferences have been the bane of college football with all these scheduling issues the last few years.
I would respect the SEC, ACC and Big 12 more if they all shedded 2-4 teams, played a round-robin schedule and ditched the fake conference championship game.
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7-03-2007 @ 11:21AM
autrojan said...
Rawkstar said, "In 2004, Auburn was the 3rd best team. How can you say any different after watching SC and Texas in the title game? Deep down Auburn is happy they did'nt have to play USC or Texas in 04'."
Rawkstar, check your history before you spout BS. USC routed a vastly overrated Oklahoma team in '04 for the title. Auburn had three NFL first rounders in the backfield and a burning desire for revenge for the '03 debacle. I'm not saying Auburn would have won, but I think that it would have been a game on par with the USC-Texas matchup the following year.
Like I needed that wound re-opened...
WAR EAGLE!
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7-03-2007 @ 11:21AM
barefoot kickers said...
rawkstar, you shouldn't think so highly of yourself.
You are getting your years mixed up. The year Auburn went undefeated, USC and Oklahoma played in the title game. It wasn't until the following year that USC and Texas played.
And that is not JMHO, that is pure unbiased fact.
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7-03-2007 @ 11:22AM
The Hazean said...
Fake? That is the most competitive game of the season. When you play a conference opponent early in the season you have a better chance of winning. If you play the same opponent in the conference championship, it always seems like both teams are playing their best football. I would love to see USC play Cal or whoever the second-best Pac-10 team is and try to beat them a second time in a season.
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7-03-2007 @ 11:27AM
Wiseowl2521 said...
It is funnny to me that the author in the article complains of bias in the world of sports when it is clearly evident that he holds a stiff bias himself. When the BCS was instituted all coaches agreed and signed a contract that the BCS game would decide the National Championship; therefore, LSU in 2003 won the Nat. Champ. outright over USC.
There is no doubt that the SEC is the best conference in college football. Sure USC beat Arkansas last year when ARkansas was decent, but remember McFadden was hurt for that game. To say that the Big 10 is better than the SEC is ridiculous. I believe Florida wiped the floor with an "unbeatable" Ohio State Team. I am not sure that LSU and USC will play in the Championship game this year. USC chokes whenever anyone says they are playing a meaningful game. LSU has to play a tough schedule whether the tough games be at home or not. ANyway, it is all speculation to say anything now. Lets just wait until the start of a very exciting year in college football.
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7-03-2007 @ 11:36AM
Brian said...
Their contract states that the BCS rewards A champion, not THE champion.
Again, the AP, which has been awarding championships for a very long time, is still kicking around and handing out titles.
Florida has a shiny AP national championship trophy somewhere in their offices after last year's win and if LSU wins this year they'll gladly accept that AP trophy.
This isn't bias, it's not having one's head in the sand to how the "championship" thing works in college football.
I like the BCS, but the college football world views 2003's situation where #1 USC (in 2 out of 3 polls) wasn't even represented in the title game as a joke. People are happy to award LSU its share of the title, they beat #2/#3 Oklahoma in the BCS title game and #1 USC beat #4 Michigan in the Rose Bowl to get its share of the title.
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